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Old 01-05-2010, 10:50 PM   #101
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Not everyone Buktop.
As an example, the UMD have not agreed with them yet.
Sorry RtG, typo, I meant to say most.
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Old 01-05-2010, 10:59 PM   #102
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Are you talking about legally required activities as a 501(c)(3) charitable organization or just an expected disclosure of some sort?
I'm not talking about disclosures - I'm talking about governance and policy making - isn't that what the conversation was about?
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Old 01-05-2010, 11:07 PM   #103
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Tajnata Kinga, Its ov or ev its Goce Delcev not Gotse Deltcheff

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What about those offices? I'd rather one office spreading the right message than a thousand offices spreading the wrong message.

I havn't been a part of UMD for two years, so I'm no longer familiar with their financial situation.
Vangelovski, True however you surly had information about how the organization was going to be financed its a long term plan, they dont survive on the amount of members they have surly. Metodija said in an interview that they had just over 4000 members and over 50,000 supporters world wide.

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Prolet, the parishoners of these churches were ordinary Macedonians like you and me. You couldn't just build a church, you needed a patron. The villages that these people came from probably had a Bulgarian church to begin with. Hence the affiliation.
El Bre, Spolaj Ti we had a similar problem before when we lost our church Sveti Kiril i Metodij to the Bulgarians, we also lost a church to the Serbs so enough is enough.
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Old 01-05-2010, 11:09 PM   #104
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RtG, is there a consolidated list on here of the goals?
I am not sure I understand what you mean Vangelovski.
Here is the subject of our ongoing focus of late:
http://macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1303
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Vangelovski, True however you surly had information about how the organization was going to be financed its a long term plan, they dont survive on the amount of members they have surly. Metodija said in an interview that they had just over 4000 members and over 50,000 supporters world wide.



El Bre, Spolaj Ti we had a similar problem before when we lost our church Sveti Kiril i Metodij to the Bulgarians, we also lost a church to the Serbs so enough is enough.
I think Meto is way overstating UMDs membership and support. New funding from outside sources can come along at any stage. UMD certainly did not have that type of funding while I was there.
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I am not sure I understand what you mean Vangelovski.
Here is the subject of our ongoing focus of late:
http://macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1303
I just mean is there a clean version of it - everyone seems to be making suggestions in posts - has it all been put together somewhere where we can just read the document?
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The first post in that thread reflects a number of the suggestions and is relatively "clean".
It has probably been updated about 10 times since it was originally posted by Rogi in the first instance.
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Old 01-05-2010, 11:21 PM   #108
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Tajnata Kinga, Its ov or ev its Goce Delcev not Gotse Deltcheff
prolet, sorry but when my family left macedonia over 75 years ago they put down -off because in the english language its equivalent to -ov.

the last name of a person should not dictate their allegiance to the macedonian cause. i have cousins who are super macedonian but don't even have macedonian last names.
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Wether it is 'Ov' or 'Off' does not determine the ethnicity of a person, TajnataKniga is correct in saying that 'Off' was used because it is more phonetically suitable in English.

Having said that though, Even the surname Donevski can sound like Doneff-ski, so I do think it should've remained as an 'Ov' for everybody, as I don't think catering to other languages is healthy or necessary. Let the westerners write Delcheff in their English newspapers, we should stick to our own and keep it as Delchev.
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Phoenix, my comment about Vangelovski being unreasonable is concerning our previous debates and my assessment of his character, not his questions concerning UMD.

Read my previous posts, I have no problem with questioning UMD, I am just stating my opinion. Why is it so wrong for me to support UMD? Why are you portraying those who criticize as victims of blind followers?

On your final point, see my posts in the Macedonian Cause thread because this is exactly what I am talking about when I say the difference in approach causes the argument, everyone agrees on the goals.
Buktop, I think its a bit rich calling Vangelovski "unreasonable" and your assessment of his character based on some previous debate is a bit silly, to say the least.

I don't believe Vangelovski has strayed from his ideas of where Macedonia should be heading, there's nothing "unreasonable" about that, Vangelovski's ideas are pretty much in tune with the vast majority
of Macedonians.

Didn't you say you were glad he wasn't in UMD any longer...?

To put it to you in another way Buktop, the Macedonian people need many more Vangelovski's in their ranks because the Buktop's of this world are too busy pulling splinters out of their arse from sitting on fences for too long...
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