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  • VMRO
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 1462

    Nuland attempts Kiev Version 2.0 in Skopje

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    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/02/16/nuland-attempts-kiev-version-2-skopje.html


    After having initiated her well-planned Maidan Square uprising in Kiev in early 2014, triggering Europe’s worst conflict in Ukraine since the Balkan Wars of the 1990s, Victoria Nuland, the Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, recently attempted a Kiev-style putsch in Macedonia aimed at overthrowing that nation’s democratically-elected government of Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski. It is a hallmark of neoconservatives like Nuland and her arch-neoconservative husband, the Brookings Institution’s Robert Kagan, to disregard democratic elections if their candidates fail to win election. Although Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and Macedonian Prime Minister Gruevski were elected in free and fair elections, by all international metrics and norms, their governments were not as pro-NATO and pro-U.S. enough for the liking of Nuland and the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) cabalists that surround her husband.

    Nuland’s tactics differed somewhat in her Ukrainian and Macedonian campaigns. Her signature challah bread offerings to protesters at Kiev's Maidan Square took the form of unsolicited offerings to the Macedonian press suggesting that Gruevksi was wiretapping as many as 20,000 Macedonians and that a videotape proving it was secretly made by Macedonia’s George Soros-financed leader of the opposition, Zoran Zaev, in a meeting he had with Gruevski.

    Nuland has been charged by Macedonian intelligence with conspiring with Zaev of the Macedonian Social Democratic Union of Macedonia (SDSM), the former Communist Party that has been thoroughly co-opted by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Soros operative. Also charged in the attempted putsch against Gruevski is Radmila Sekerinska. Zaev and Sekerinska are said by Macedonian insiders to be nothing more than fronts for former Prime Minister and President Branko Crvenkovski who continues to head up the SDSM and accept large amounts of largesse from such CIA NGO laundry operations as the National Democratic Institute (NDI), National Endowment for Democracy (NED), Freedom House, and Soros’s Open Society Institute (OSI) to foment a themed revolution against Gruevksi's right-of-center VMRO-DPMNE government.

    Gruevksi, unlike many U.S.-installed and -influenced governments of the region has been reluctant to apply sanctions against Russia over Ukraine. That stance has earned the government in Skopje the enmity of the Obama administration and most notably, Nuland, whose rhetoric echoes leading neo-conservative war hawks such as Republican senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham. In fact, Nuland’s husband has the distinction of working as a foreign policy adviser for both McCain and presumptive 2016 Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

    In response to Zaev's charge that Gruevski wiretapped 20,000 Macedonians, including taping phone calls between Zaev and his young daughter, the Macedonian government charged that it was Zaev and his associates, working with a foreign intelligence agency believed to be the CIA, to overthrow Gruevski's government. An obvious flight risk, Zaev was ordered to turn in his passport to the authorities. Others, in addition to Zaev, accused of working with the CIA to oust Gruevski include Zaev's associates Sonja Verusevska and Branko Palifrov, as well as the former director of the Office of Security and Counter-intelligence (DBK), Zoran Verusevski. Gruevski charged that Zaev threatened to disclose sensitive information about his government provided to the SDSM by the CIA, referred to as "the bomb" in the Macedonian media, unless Gruevski appointed a caretaker government that would lead to early parliamentary elections. Gruevski has called Zaev's gambit nothing more than blackmail pressure in order that a snap election be called. As far as pressuring the Gruevski government to resign and call early elections, Nuland resorted to the same gambit that was used in Kiev to oust Yanukovych.

    Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reporter Michael Martens, who reported on the Macedonian coup plot, claimed in an interview with Macedonian television that his initial report on the wiretapping issue had been altered by certain parties inside Macedonia. Martens said that with a population of 2 million, to wiretap 20,000 people would have even far exceed the capabilities of the East German Stasi. In any event, Martens said the 20,000 figure was not true and that Macedonian media and politicians had misquoted him and his article. However, the truth has never been on the side of provocateurs like Nuland and her neoconservative cabal of plotters and disinformation specialists.

    The unapologetic foul-mouthed Nuland met on the side of the 51st Munich Security Conference in Germany with Macedonian Foreign Minister Nikola Poposki and President Gjorge Ivanov to express her displeasure at Gruevski's insurrection charges against her friend Zaev and his SDSM co-conspirators. Earlier, Nuland had offered to mediate a long-standing dispute between Greece and Macedonia over the latter's use of the name Macedonia, which some Greeks consider to be a solely Greek name. Macedonian observers viewed Nuland's interest in the name dispute to be a trap that would enable a pro-U.S. government, along with the Zionist and global banker baggage that comes with any such «themed» coup d'etat, to seize power in Skopje. Nuland and her co-conspirators were hoping for a replay of Kiev in what can be termed «Kiev Version 2.0.»



    Nuland and her co-conspirators in Skopje are alarmed over the speed at which the Macedonian security services rounded up the coup plotters. Macedonian police, in raids conducted in Skopje and Veles, seized five laptop computers, three desktop computers, 19 mobile phones, 100 CDs and DVDs, 17 hard disks, and 9 savings deposit books used by the coup plotters, including a number linked to Soros-financed NGOs. The bank accounts of the plotters reportedly were flush with healthy cash deposits from the CIA as the date of the planned coup approached.

    The use of social media by the Soros/CIA coup plotters should come as no surprise. Social media served at the very core of the themed revolutions sponsored by the CIA and Soros twice in Ukraine (Orange Revolution and Euro-Maidan uprising), Jasmine Revolution (Tunisia), Lotus Revolution (Egypt), Rose Reviolution (Georgia), Tulip Revolution (Kyrgyszstan), and Green Revolution (Iran). In the case of Macedonia, there are clear indications that the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State in the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor (DRL) Thomas Melia, responsible for DRL’s work in Europe, including Russia, as well as the Middle East and North Africa, conspired directly with Zaev to mount a coup against the Gruevski government. Melia is the former deputy director of Freedom House, a Cold War-era neoconservative bevvy of U.S. war hawks based in New York. Although founded in 1941 by such progressives as Eleanor Roosevelt, Ralph Bunche, journalist Dorothy Thompson, novelist Rex Stout (creator of Nero Wolfe), and Republican presidential candidate Wendell Willkie (who would be considered by today's Republicans in the U.S. as a stark-raving liberal), Freedom House has devolved into a neoconservative chatter source having employed as their board members in recent years such war hawk cretins as Paul Wolfowitz, Ken Adelman, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Donald Rumsfeld, and Otto Reich. Freedom House has been caught red-handed funneling CIA money to opposition groups in Iran, Sudan, Russia, and China. In essence, Freedom House, like Soros's NGOs, serves as a conduit for CIA support for rebellious opposition forces in dozens of countries around the world, countries that now include Macedonia, as well as Hungary, Venezuela, Syria, Egypt, Serbia, Jordan, Mexico, and Cuba.

    What occurred in Macedonia was a classic disinformation ploy to mire the democratically-elected government in a bogus political scandal. The ploy is directly from the CIA playbook and it is now being carried out against Presidents Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner of Argentina, Dilma Rousseff of Brazil, and Michelle Bachelet of Chile. All face financial scandals cooked up by the CIA and its owned and operated media in the three nations. In Macedonia, the Soros-influenced media and Radio Free Europe are part of the operation.

    Nuland’s vulgar language is only matched by the vulgarity of her backroom operations to unseat democratically-elected governments. «Nuland» should become a noun meaning disgraceful diplomatic conduct, in the same manner as the terms «quisling,» meaning «traitor» and derived from the actions of Norwegian Nazi leader Vidkun Quisling, and «boycott,» meaning the cessation of all business with a targeted entity and made famous by Irish land agent Captain Charles Boycott, became part of the English language.
    Verata vo Mislite, VMRO vo dushata, Makedonia vo Srceto.

    Vnatreshna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija.

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    • vicsinad
      Senior Member
      • May 2011
      • 2337

      If this is true, it is just one more reason to keep away from NATO and the EU. We know whose interests we won't be serving if we join those organizations: Macedonia's.

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      • makedonche
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2008
        • 3242

        If it is true, then something needs to be done about it, by all Macedonians using whatever resources they have!
        On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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        • Volokin
          Member
          • Apr 2014
          • 278

          Raises some interesting points, but that's quite the theory.

          Doesn't really give any evidence that SDSM were conspiring with the CIA.

          Nor does it make any sense considering the fact that DPMNE is most definitely pro-NATO.

          I really don't think these leaks have much to do with with the US.

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          • Volokin
            Member
            • Apr 2014
            • 278

            Moscow Applauds Greece-Macedonia Drama

            By Janusz Bugajski

            February 17, 2015

            Macedonia, the European Union, NATO and the United States all lose in the interminable dispute between Greece and Macedonia over the latter’s name. But there is one power that gains from this “frozen conflict” – President Vladimir Putin’s Russia. Moscow is playing both sides of the Greek-Macedonian controversy, as it helps block NATO and EU enlargement and increases Kremlin influence with both governments.

            In challenging Macedonia’s constitutional name, Athens has consistently played Moscow’s tune by vetoing Macedonia’s path into NATO and the EU. To add to the elation in the Kremlin, the election of the ultra-leftist Syriza movement will intensify anti-NATO and anti-American sentiments in Athens. As a reward, Putin has personally invited new Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras to Moscow.

            Syriza’s leaders have displayed an avidly pro-Moscow line throughout the Russia-Ukraine war and they continue to view Russia as a bastion against American “global hegemony.” Close links between Syriza and Moscow’s chief quasi-fascist and imperial “Eurasian” ideologist, Aleksandr Dugin, have recently come to light, indicating how intimately the far left and the far right collaborate against liberalism and democracy.

            Given its ideological predilections, the new Greek government will oppose NATO enlargement to obstruct Macedonia’s progress with a leftist rather than a nationalist slant, arguing that NATO is the arm of global capitalism. Syriza may also exploit nationalist sentiments, as its economic policies look doomed to failure and its ideologues will not want to be seen as betraying Greek national interests.

            Additionally, Panos Kammenos, leader of the government’s coalition partner, the Independent Greeks, and the new defense minister, maintains a hard-line position on Macedonia. In return for Kammenos supporting Syriza’s “anti-austerity” economic policies, Tsipras may freeze any negotiations over Macedonia’s name. This will perfectly suit the Kremlin’s containment policy toward the West.

            Simultaneously, Moscow is cozying up to Macedonian Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski, especially following recent government charges against Social Democratic opposition leader Zoran Zaev for allegedly planning a coup d’état. Rumors abound in Skopje that Greek secret services sought to destabilize Macedonia by providing Zaev with evidence of the government's alleged economic mismanagement, which led to the official clampdown.

            Whatever the facts in the coup allegations, Putin is hoping that Gruevski can become another Viktor Orbán, the Hungarian Prime Minister ostracized by the EU and the U.S. for avowedly backtracking on democracy. This will also strengthen those who argue against Macedonia’s membership in either NATO or the EU. Moscow will then act as Macedonia's supporter and protector as it pursues its expansive interests in the Balkans.

            The Kremlin’s primary objective throughout the Balkans is to obstruct the West. In addition to exploiting the division of Bosnia-Herzegovina and capitalizing on Serbian-Albanian disputes, it will increasingly play the Greek and Macedonia cards to preclude any resolution to the name dispute.

            Moscow mendaciously asserts that it supports “sovereign democracies” and opposes Ukrainian-type “coups” backed by Washington and Brussels. In reality, rather than the U.S. or the EU destabilizing Macedonia, Greek intransigence over the country’s name unsettles the neighborhood by inflaming political and ethnic tensions within Macedonia. Escalating instability is in turn beneficial for Moscow, as it derails the process of Western institutional enlargement. The Kremlin clearly feels at home in the labyrinthine politics of the Balkans.


            Interesting point of view as well. This one is actually more believable than the other.

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            • Amphipolis
              Banned
              • Aug 2014
              • 1328

              Originally posted by Volokin View Post
              Rumors abound in Skopje that Greek secret services sought to destabilize Macedonia by providing Zaev with evidence of the government's alleged economic mismanagement, which led to the official clampdown.
              Is that true? I mean, are there such rumors implicating Greece? We have some very serious issues right now in Greece, but this story hasn't yet reached us here.

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              • Volokin
                Member
                • Apr 2014
                • 278

                Originally posted by Amphipolis View Post
                Is that true? I mean, are there such rumors implicating Greece? We have some very serious issues right now in Greece, but this story hasn't yet reached us here.
                DPMNE has claimed that Zaev conspired with a neighboring foreign intelligence service. Both Greece and Bulgaria have been brought up, no actual evidence to support either.

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                • DedoAleko
                  Member
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 969

                  Just a reminder:
                  Victoria Nuland is Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs at the United States Department of State.
                  Her spouse is Robert Kagan,American historian, author, columnist, and foreign-policy commentator born in 1958 in Athens, greece.

                  Robert Kagan's father, Donald Kagen, is an American historian at Yale University specializing in ancient greece, notable for his four-volume history of the Peloponnesian War. He formerly taught in the Department of History at Cornell University.
                  At present, Kagan is considered among the foremost American scholars of greek history....

                  source wiki

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                  • Big Bad Sven
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 1528

                    I dont think any of macedonia's neighbors have the capability to do all of this.

                    And why would they? Almost every neighboring country benefits from this pipeline?

                    Unless the neighboring countries have been bought out by the west/USA and are just their lackeys.

                    I know this pipeline is very important for greece as well.

                    Maybe it is Bulgaria? The original pipeline was meant to go through Bulgaria but the Bulgarian peasants are just as cheap and stupid as the macedonian peasants it seems.

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                    • iceman
                      Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 132

                      Macedonian Opposition Uses CIA and Soros Funds to Hire 2,000 Violent Thugs for Sunday

                      Macedonian Opposition Uses CIA and Soros Funds to Hire 2,000 Violent Thugs for Sunday Protest
                      Saturday, 16 May 2015
                      zaev-nova

                      In an interview for Soros owned nova-tv newsportal the leader of the SDSM Zoran Zaev confirmed the opposition has brought 2,000 young individuals for the Sunday "protest" .

                      SDSM insiders afraid of the Sunday protest have already spilled out the plan. Beginning from the fact there would be only few thousands protesters, to instructions for Soros owned media to present the number of protesters as "70,000". These instructions were sent not just to Soros owned media in Macedonia, but propaganda veterans NYTimes and Reuters.

                      Zaev's "2,000 young people who know karate and kick box" is in fact the thugs that have been hired using USAID, NED, PNAC (fronts for the CIA) and Soros funds which the SDSM has received for years. The above mentioned foreign entities deposited several million dollars to SDSM bank accounts just days before the attempted coup.

                      The aim is for the scenario to be Kiev like, with burning of cars, shops, and clashes with the police. For this purpose, the SDSM has brought in over 100 thugs outside of Macedonia as well (Kosovo, Bosnia, Serbia and Montenegro), known criminals with thick police dossier. An SDSM insider stated each has received 500 euros, and criminals who are expected to lead the rest into clashes with police will get 1,500 euros/day.

                      The reason for the SDSM insider coming out with the above information is the fear that certain SDSM structures have hired individuals who would use guns not just on the police, but on protesters, to create the illusion that police is firing on protesters and vice versa, a scenario already seen in Kiev. In Kiev, hospital doctors stated the same weapon was used on both protesters and policemen, however the information was censored and never made it to "mainstream" media.

                      Zaev spoke of the May 17th scenario at length for over two months, calling it a "bloody day". Considering the terrorists in Kumanovo planned to attack on May 17th as well, Zaev's statement brings a new dimension into SDSM's activities and the foreign entities who support them.

                      The reason for the coup that begun in February? The US needs a Government installed that would be obedient to them (Zaev being the perfect fit). The current Government doesn't cut it, because it cares for its citizens, it showed interest in the Turkish Stream (host a transit pipeline) which will bring substantial revenues to the country, so much so, the average salary is projected at 1,000 euros in just few years. The Americans want none of this, they believe every country in the world should work for US business interests and never for the well being of their citizens. //Gorazd Velkovski

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                      • iceman
                        Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 132

                        iceman: Ofcourse they want Gruevski out because the dog zaev is a western and soros puppet , who has not agreed to a name change , also because soros and the west want to stop russian pipeline going through macedonia which will provide enormous amounts of revenue for the Macedonian country and increase the quality of life for all Macedonians citizens.
                        The protesters a sheep going to the slaughter without realizing it . Creating a ukraine situation to install a western puppet like zaev who is ready to sell out macedonia



                        Video: Macedonian Opposition Debacle: Prepared 4 months for 10,000 Protesters
                        Sunday, 17 May 2015



                        It started off with 10,000 protesters, however the numbers are quickly dwindling with each passing minute. MINA's Marija Nikolovska is in downtown Skopje, interviewing people. A great deal of them were bussed from Kumanovo, Strumica and Ohrid.

                        It was shocking to see many elderly present at the protest, are they protesting the fact their pensions have risen over 50% in the last 8 years? Or are they protesting the fact the Government is sending them on free vacations in the summer and during the winter? Or perhaps they are protesting the free healthcare and free bus passes they each get?

                        MINA's Marija Nikolovska says, they are not protesting anything, in fact they are there because their sons and daughters brought them. There are videos circulating on youtube, with "protesters" saying they have no idea what's going on, and why they are in Skopje to protest.
                        zaev_alb_znameee

                        According to SDSM insiders there was a massive quarrel between Zaev and SDSM's "field managers". Zaev asked for 100,000 people to be bussed to Skopje, however there are 10 times less than that, roughly 10,000 which is quite embarassing considering the ruling Government called on citizens to show support for police and 80,000 showed up on the streets within hours!

                        The protest was peaceful. SDSM stayed away from their violent scenario. Is it because everyone became aware of it thanks to the police action in Kumanovo

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                        • ramo
                          Member
                          • Dec 2011
                          • 117

                          Originally posted by iceman View Post

                          Video: Macedonian Opposition Debacle: Prepared 4 months for 10,000 Protesters
                          Sunday, 17 May 2015



                          MINA's Marija Nikolovska says, they are not protesting anything, in fact they are there because their sons and daughters brought them. There are videos circulating on youtube, with "protesters" saying they have no idea what's going on, and why they are in Skopje to protest.



                          The protest was peaceful. SDSM stayed away from their violent scenario. Is it because everyone became aware of it thanks to the police action in Kumanovo
                          The latest bullshit theory for dummies.

                          " Parents dragged on protests by their children "

                          Where are those videos from people that do not know why they are in Skopje? In your imagination?



                          This looks way more than 10 000 people. And what happened with CIA and the Masonic plan to hire violent thugs?

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                          • julie
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2009
                            • 3869

                            Suppose the crowd supported being spoken to in Bulgarian too, because, you know , freedom and sloboda and all that.
                            Disgusting
                            "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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                            • julie
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2009
                              • 3869



                              how wonderful for freedom and sloboda in Macedonia !

                              Stanishev not once in his speech mention the word MACEDONIA and watched the live stream , because, I like to see with my own eyes the 300,000 people Albania reported to the 20,000 disinterested crowd in attendance

                              Round of applause for the SDSMS sympathisers and apologists
                              showing their true NON Macedonian colours
                              "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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                              • ramo
                                Member
                                • Dec 2011
                                • 117

                                Originally posted by julie View Post
                                http://english.republika.mk/stanishe...lly-in-skopje/

                                how wonderful for freedom and sloboda in Macedonia !

                                Stanishev not once in his speech mention the word MACEDONIA and watched the live stream , because, I like to see with my own eyes the 300,000 people Albania reported to the 20,000 disinterested crowd in attendance

                                Round of applause for the SDSMS sympathisers and apologists
                                showing their true NON Macedonian colours
                                I get it you have animosity against me i don't mind that. I also know how is the official bulgarian politics. But the speech was mainly in english with simultaneus translation in macedonian from the videos available i watched. And he uses the name Republic of Macedonia and says Македонија again in his final sentences in bulgarian. If there was some serbian representative he would have spoken in Serbian it is no problem at all for me, not everyone can speak Macedonian. So he mentioned Macedonia twice and it does not make the offician bulgarian position better. This means you did not watch the live stream as you say (at least that's what i understood) at least not Stanishev speech.

                                But one thing is interesting, how sdsm from anti-vrhovist party now is being labeled as pro-bulgairan.

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