The newly invented Hellenes only live in Bavarian Greece, 1842!

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  • Daskalot
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 4345

    The newly invented Hellenes only live in Bavarian Greece, 1842!









    Source: “Romaic Grammar” by E. A. Sophokles, 1842, pages iii-iv.
    Macedonian Truth Organisation
  • julie
    Senior Member
    • May 2009
    • 3869

    #2
    interesting Daskale. "Romaic" = Romi perhaps?
    "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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    • Daskalot
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 4345

      #3
      Romaic is the language spoken by the Romaios(Romans)
      Macedonian Truth Organisation

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      • julie
        Senior Member
        • May 2009
        • 3869

        #4
        No wonder they are jealous of the Macedonian people, the Greeks dont know what they are!
        "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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        • Daniel the Great
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2009
          • 1084

          #5
          He mentions Bavarian Greece, is that because there first King Otto was from Bavaria Germany?
          Well done Daskale, very good information.

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          • Coastal
            Banned
            • Jun 2010
            • 104

            #6
            Now re-read also the un-underlined part.
            You will be amazed of how interesting finds you will discover

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            • MacoLionHeartSun
              Junior Member
              • Jun 2010
              • 56

              #7
              I read the un-lined and I'm still confused, Is Greece trying to claim another countries achievements/History? I think all these Hellenes are confused too... because of there mixed geographical history??

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              • Coastal
                Banned
                • Jun 2010
                • 104

                #8
                Originally posted by daniel the great View Post
                He mentions Bavarian Greece, is that because there first King Otto was from Bavaria Germany?
                .
                Yes.That's why-By this terms he means Greek state in 1830-40's.

                In fact the quote is "by Bavarian Greece,who perhaps do not constitute more than one fourth of the Greek nation".

                At this time the Greek state's area was 47.516 km2 .

                Four times means 4*47.516=190.064 km2

                Today's Greece area is 131.990 km2.

                That's 60.000 km2 less..than the actual area of the Greek nation,according to Your Source.
                (ps- Republic of Macedonia's area is 25.713 km2...=2,5 RoMs less..)

                So the writer would believe modern Greece is too small ..and that she should be greater
                Interesting isn't ?

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                • Serdarot
                  Member
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 605

                  #9
                  @ Julie: Romeika, kind of "Demotiki". The Turks called all of us "Rumei", Rumeli-Milet. (from the Natives in anatolia to Croatia, ALL was Romei)

                  Couse from their aspect, those teritories were anexed from the "Romans" , meaning the Roman Empire... (East Roman Empire, Byzant, Vizantia)

                  Originally posted by Coastal View Post
                  Yes.That's why-By this terms he means Greek state in 1830-40's.

                  In fact the quote is "by Bavarian Greece,who perhaps do not constitute more than one fourth of the Greek nation".

                  At this time the Greek state's area was 47.516 km2 .

                  Four times means 4*47.516=190.064 km2

                  Today's Greece area is 131.990 km2.

                  That's 60.000 km2 less..than the actual area of the Greek nation,according to Your Source.
                  (ps- Republic of Macedonia's area is 25.713 km2...=2,5 RoMs less..)

                  So the writer would believe modern Greece is too small ..and that she should be greater
                  Interesting isn't ?
                  coastal, dude...

                  the sun is before your eyes, but you stuberny try to convince us that it is a candle?

                  Nation, NOT teritory.

                  And under "greek nation", the author is probably meaning all those who didn´t spoke Turkish, probably us Macedonians as well.
                  Bratot:
                  Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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                  • Coastal
                    Banned
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 104

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Serdarot View Post
                    coastal, dude...

                    the sun is before your eyes, but you stuberny try to convince us that it is a candle?

                    Nation, NOT teritory.

                    And under "greek nation", the author is probably meaning all those who didn´t spoke Turkish, probably us Macedonians as well.
                    Serdarot did you read the text?
                    It actually says that except the citizens of the Greek Kingdom the "mass of the people still call themselves Ρωμαίοι and their language Ρωμαίικα"
                    Did you call your language Romeika??

                    The same text above says "The fact is that Romaic is the legitimate offspring of Byzantine Greek which is the last stage of the Common Attic"

                    Apparently the guys calling themselves Romei and speaking Romaic (Greek) are NOT you ,or the Croatians.
                    --------------
                    No territory ,but nation.ok then...

                    Let's see the numbers too:
                    Ιn 1832 the population (after 10 years of battles and slaughters) was 753.000 in the Greek kingdom.

                    4*753.000=3.012.000 people spoke Romaic (aka Modern Greek) according always to the presented source estimation!
                    3 millions.

                    what was the number of other nations back then?
                    "Vallachians or Roman race was not less than 4 millions;the Slavonians ,including the Bulgarians who speak the Slavonic language exceeded 5 millions"
                    (G.Finlay,History of the Greek revolution,VolI ,p.3)
                    For all Greeks Finlay estimates "no more than 3 million and a half"

                    So..Greek speakers (or Romaic if you prefer): 3,5 millions (or 3 as THIS Source suggests)
                    Slavic speakers (Bulgarians,Serbians,Macedonians,Croatians,Monteneg rins,Bosnians): 5 millions.
                    Latin speakers (Romanians,Aromanians): 4 millions

                    If we add the Christian Albanian population it would be like Greek speaking were some 3-3,5 millions ,out of 13-13,5 of all the Christian population of the Area.
                    That makes 25% ...of the Balkans.

                    So the sun is really obvious

                    ..what did you bring the source to prove Daskale?
                    That "Romaic,the legitimate offspring of Byzantine Greek,which is the last stage of Common Attic" was mother tongue of 1/4 of the people of the Balkans *?


                    Well done! You ve made it ! ))

                    *(now it is of 11 out of 55 millions..so it is only 1/5)
                    Last edited by Coastal; 07-04-2010, 11:13 AM.

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                    • Daskalot
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 4345

                      #11
                      I brought forward this source to show that your Hellene identity is a modern creation.

                      Sophokles is a Greek himself so would you think he would write anything else about the modern Greek connection to the East Roman emipre?
                      Greece as a nation was for the first time created in history and it needed a glorious past, connecting it with the East Romans and then with Antiquity only reinforced the national spirit among the Arvanites of the Morea.

                      Why not promote this source amongst your kinsmen, whom most likely has never seen it before.
                      Macedonian Truth Organisation

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                      • MacoLionHeartSun
                        Junior Member
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 56

                        #12
                        Thanks Daskalot, Bratko you are definitely a good teacher, I'm the first to say’ I need to keep learning about my heritage and stop relying on other people’s opinions, Can you please help me understand one point, the document states: The fact is, the Romatic is the legitimate offspring of the Byzantine Greek, which is the last stage of the common attic? Meaning the Greeks recreated there artificial language and could have called it Turko-lonie or Greco-Latin?

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