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  • Carlin
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2011
    • 3332

    Greece will be destroyed in 4 hours, says Turkish President Erdogan’s top aide

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    Turkish President Erdogan’s top advisor, Yigit Bulut, unleashed new threats against Greece, warning that Turkey would annihilate Greece in a matter of 3 to 4 hours if it declared war on Turkey.

    According to a Turkish journalist, who posted the relevant video on Twitter, the belligerent adviser is heard saying that “Greece will totally end up in a catastrophe within three to four hours if it wages a war against #Turkey”. He claims Greece was provoked by major powers to attack Turkey, citing an incident with a Greek frigate “Nikiphoros Fokas” which had recently intercepted the Turkish search and exploration vessel “Barbaros” in the Mediterranean Sea.

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    • Niko777
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2010
      • 1895

      Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post
      Greece will be destroyed in 4 hours, says Turkish President Erdogan’s top aide
      Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah that's right:

      Антимос: Ќе го заземеме Скопје за 20 минути

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      • Carlin
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 3332

        Greece's extension of territorial waters in Aegean, 'cause of war' for Turkey - Greek Reporter

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        Oct 21 2018

        Former Foreign Minister Nikos Kotzias on Saturday said Greece is ready to extend its territorial waters from 6 to 12 nautical miles in a move which Turkey has threatened in the past and is a cause of war, Greek Reporter news site said.

        Koztias' statement arrives amid increased tensions between Ankara and Athens in recent months over the uninhabited islets in the Aegean Sea.

        Greece will expand its sovereignty towards the west from the Diapontia Islands, a cluster of small islands in the Ionian Sea, to Antikythera, an island lying between the Peloponnese and Crete, doing the same in the Aegean, the site reported.

        While Greece has a legal right to extend its territorial sea to 12 nautical miles, as provided for by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, the Greek Reporter said, Ankara claims that the Aegean is a special case and if the provisions of the Law of the Sea are applied, Turkey will be cut off from the sea.

        While noting that should Greece extend its territorial waters in the Aegean, it will increase its control from the current 43 percent to 71 percent and international waters will be reduced from 49 percent to less than 20 percent, the site noted that on 9 June 1995, the Turkish parliament officially declared that unilateral action by Greece would constitute a casus belli.

        Greece, in response, condemned this as a violation of the Charter of the United Nations, which forbids “the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state”.

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        • Carlin
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2011
          • 3332

          The chief of the Hellenic National Defense General Staff (GEETHA), Admiral Evangelos Apostolakis, said on Wednesday that if Turkish forces land on a rocky islet in the Aegean, it will be “flattened.”

          If they land on an islet, we will flatten it. And this is a red line that is adopted by the government as well,” he was quoted as telling journalists during a briefing in Athens.

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          The chief of the Hellenic National Defense General Staff (GEETHA), Admiral Evangelos Apostolakis, said on Wednesday that if Turkish forces land on a rocky islet in the Aegean, it will be “flattened.”

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          • Gocka
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2012
            • 2306

            Man these fuckers are delusional in every aspect.

            Turkey's military is in the top 10 in the world in terms of shear size and power. After you get past the US, Russia, China, India, France and the UK, you end up at Turkey.

            They would smash you like those plates you are so fond of.

            Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post
            The chief of the Hellenic National Defense General Staff (GEETHA), Admiral Evangelos Apostolakis, said on Wednesday that if Turkish forces land on a rocky islet in the Aegean, it will be “flattened.”

            If they land on an islet, we will flatten it. And this is a red line that is adopted by the government as well,” he was quoted as telling journalists during a briefing in Athens.

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            http://www.ekathimerini.com/235861/a...ill-flatten-it

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            • vicsinad
              Senior Member
              • May 2011
              • 2337

              Originally posted by Gocka View Post
              Man these fuckers are delusional in every aspect.
              Greece and facts have never gotten along well

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              • Carlin
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2011
                • 3332

                Turkey will not tolerate “provocations” in the Aegean, the Mediterranean or Cyprus, Defense Minister Hulusi Akar said Saturday.

                “All should know that provocations in the Aegean, Mediterranean and Cyprus will have no effect,” Akar was quoted as saying by the state-run Anadolu news agency.

                “Or the price will be heavy,” Akar added, according to the report.

                On Wednesday, the chief of the Hellenic National Defense General Staff (GEETHA), Admiral Evangelos Apostolakis, warned that Greece will "flatten" any Greek islet in the event that Turkish forces land there.

                Turkey will not tolerate “provocations” in the Aegean, the Mediterranean or Cyprus, Defense Minister Hulusi Akar said Saturday.

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                • Amphipolis
                  Banned
                  • Aug 2014
                  • 1328

                  As you can see Turkey is very unlucky concerning Exclusive Economic Zones. That's not to mention that gas resources at the South of Cyprus is like a cruel joke by God. If Turkey only knew that in 1974, they would have made a circle, invade Cyprus from the South and push Greeks to the North.

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                  • Carlin
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2011
                    • 3332

                    Ankara declares it will protect ‘Turkish minority’ in Thrace

                    Maintaining that Ankara is attempting to solve problems with Greece through dialogue, Aksoy demanded the extradition to Turkey of individuals allegedly related to the “Gulenist” movement

                    ΤοΒΗΜΑ Team | 18.01.2019

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                    Maintaining that Ankara is attempting to solve problems with Greece through dialogue, Aksoy demanded the extradition to Turkey of individuals allegedly related to the “Gulenist” movement


                    Turkish Foreign Ministry spokesman Hami Aksoy declared that Ankara is the protector of the “Turkish minority” in Western Thrace.

                    Under the Treaty of Lausanne a Muslim and not Turkish minority is recognised in the region, as it includes Muslim Pomak and Roma elements.

                    Maintaining that Ankara is attempting to solve problems with Greece through dialogue, Aksoy demanded the extradition to Turkey of individuals allegedly related to the “Gulenist” movement, of the Muslim cleric Fetullah Gulen who created a network of Islamic schools and had managed to penetrate high levels in various sectors of the Turkish state, including the military and judiciary.

                    Erdogan has conducted a wholesale purge and imprisonment of alleged Gulenists.

                    An erstwhile ally of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Gulen has been branded a terrorist and his movement a terrorist organisation by Ankara, which accuses him of masterminding the abortive “coup” against Erdogan in 2016.

                    “With Greece we are attempting to solve problems through dialogue. We shall continue to decisively demand from Athens the return of all those linked with the terrorist organisation FETO (as Ankara calls Gulen’s Hizmet movement) and to protect the rights of the Turkish minority in Western Thrace,” Aksoy said.

                    Aksoy said that the Cyprus problem can be solved only if it is done on the basis of the existing realities on the island and if the Greek Cypriots comply with Ankara’s view of power-sharing.

                    Turkey has occupied nearly 40 percent of the island since 1974, when over 80 percent of the population were Greek-Cypriots and demands that the majority and the Turkish-Cypriot minority have equal representation and a decisive say in all state organs and institutions.

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                    • Carlin
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 3332

                      Accident over Aegean narrowly averted

                      An accident was narrowly averted on Friday after a Turkish F-16 fighter jet reportedly harassed a Greek Super Puma helicopter, according to reports that emerged on Saturday.


                      An accident was narrowly averted on Friday after a Turkish F-16 fighter jet reportedly harassed a Greek Super Puma helicopter, according to reports that emerged on Saturday.

                      The incident occurred shortly before noon south of the eastern Aegean islet of Farmakonisi as the Super Puma conducted a search for a boat carrying illegal migrants.

                      The F-16 reportedly came within less than 100 feet of the helicopter, destabilizing it.

                      According to reliable sources, the pilots of the Super Puma managed with difficulty to keep the helicopter on course.

                      Experienced airmen told Kathimerini that if the Super Puma had been an older model the outcome could have been tragic.

                      The incident raised concern among Greece’ military leadership and the Defense Ministry, given that Turkish violations in the Aegean have been known to spike in the run-up to the anniversary of the crisis over the Imia islet on January 28, 1996, which almost led to war between the two countries.

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                      • Carlin
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 3332

                        Tsipras' helicopter forced to take evasive action from Turkish fighters in the Aegean

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                        Turkish fighter jets attempted Monday to harass the helicopter transporting Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras to the eastern Aegean island of Agathonisi. They were intercepted by Greek fighters and never got very close, but the helicopter still had to take evasive action.


                        Turkish fighter jets attempted Monday to harass the helicopter transporting Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras to the eastern Aegean island of Agathonisi. They were intercepted by Greek fighters and never got very close, but the helicopter still had to take evasive action.

                        State ANA-MPA news agency reported that Tsipras was being transported in a Chinook helicopter to Agathonisi, a small Greek island south of Samos and fairly close to the Turkish coast, when two Turkish F-4 fighters approached, violating Greek airspace in the process.

                        The Turkish fighters, flying at a height of 6,000 feet approached within 4 miles of Tsipras' helicopter, which was approaching Agathonisi at a height of 2,000 feet. The Chinook flew lower to avoid the Turkish fighters, which were intercepted by Greek F-16s.

                        Tsipras referred to the incident at Agathonisi. “Coming here, I was harassed by Turkish planes that forced the helicopter I was on to take evasive action and for what purpose?”


                        Akar ups the ante, claiming Turkey controls the Aegean

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                        The contention on Friday by Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar that the seas surrounding Turkey, including the Aegean Sea, lie within its territorial waters was interpreted in Athens as another instance of Ankara’s bid to revise the status quo in the region.

                        “We control the seas and the seabed... the Black Sea, the Aegean, the Eastern Mediterranean, which also includes Cyprus,” Akar reportedly said, adding that “these areas lie within our sphere of interest… we have the responsibility of ensuring peace and calm.” He was speaking at a military facility in Turkey.

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                        • Gocka
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 2306

                          Yawn.

                          Same chest pumping every month or so.

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                          • Amphipolis
                            Banned
                            • Aug 2014
                            • 1328

                            Erdoğan rebuffs international condemnation over Hagia Sophia conversion


                            Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan on Saturday rejected international condemnation over his decree to revert Istanbul’s Hagia Sophia monument back into a mosque, saying it represented his country's will to use its "sovereign rights".

                            The Turkish head of state handed administrative control of the Hagia Sophia to Turkey’s top state religious body on Friday, after the country’s highest administrative court revoked the disputed site’s status as a museum back into a mosque.

                            "Those who do not take a step against Islamophobia in their own countries... attack Turkey's will to use its sovereign rights," state-run Anadolu news agency quoted Erdoğan as saying during the opening ceremony of a bridge he attended via video-conference.

                            "We made this decision not looking at what others say but looking what our right is and what our nation wants, just like what we have done in Syria, in Libya and elsewhere," the Turkish president said.

                            The Hagia Sophia, originally built as a cathedral of the Eastern Roman Empire in 537, was converted into a mosque following the Ottoman conquest of Istanbul in 1453 and then into a museum in 1935, 12 years after the founding of Turkey’s republic.

                            Erdoğan has repeatedly suggested in recent years turning the landmark into a mosque again to fulfil a long-standing demand by Turkey’s Islamists, much to Greece’s ire.

                            Many members in the international community condemned Turkey’s decision over the Hagia Sophia, expressing disappointment and regret.

                            On Saturday, the Turkish Religious Affairs Directorate called to open a madrasah in the iconic site. Turkish media, for the most part, has welcomed the site’s conversion.

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                            • Soldier of Macedon
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 13670

                              If you're highlighting this development as a condemnation of Erdogan's actions with respect to St. Sofia, then congratulations are in order, because after several years and multiple suspensions going by various usernames, we finally found one thing to agree on.
                              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                              • Soldier of Macedon
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 13670

                                Some more reactions to this story:


                                Russian church says revocation of Hagia Sophia's museum status a blow to Orthodox Christianity

                                Jul 12 2020

                                A senior official in the Russian Orthodox Church said the Byzantine-era monument Hagia Sophia's losing its museum status is "a blow to global Orthodox Christianity", Bianet reported on Sunday. "This is a blow to global Orthodox Christianity because Hagia Sophia to all Orthodox Christians the world over is the same symbol as St. Peter's Cathedral in Rome is to Catholics," Bianet cited Metropolitan Hilarion, chairman of the Moscow Patriarchate’s department for external church relations, as saying. For the Russian Orthodox Church, this cathedral "remains a temple dedicated to the Christ the Saviour," he said.

                                Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan handed administrative control of the Hagia Sophia to the Diyanet, Turkey's religious affairs directorate on Friday, after the country’s highest administrative court annulled a 1934 cabinet decision under modern Turkey's founder Mustafa Kemal Atatürk to turn the church-turned-mosque into a museum. Erdoğan has repeatedly called for the UNESCO World Heritage site to be reverted into a mosque and he recited a verse from the Quran at Hagia Sophia in 2018. "This is an event that may have serious consequences for the entire human civilisation. It is regrettable that the Turkish leader didn't have the statesmanship," the deputy head of the Moscow Patriarchate’s Department for External Church Relations, Archpriest Nikolay Balashov, told Russian news agency Interfax on Friday.

                                Meanwhile, the World Council of Churches, which represents 350 Christian churches, has called on Erdoğan to reverse his decision and said the move would sow division in a letter to the Turkish president on July 11. "By deciding to convert the Hagia Sophia back to a mosque you have reversed that positive sign of Turkey’s openness and changed it to a sign of exclusion and division," the World Council of Churches Interim Secretary General Ioan Sauca said. "The decision to convert such an emblematic place as Hagia Sophia from a museum back to a mosque will inevitably create uncertainties, suspicions and mistrust, undermining all our efforts to bring people of different faiths together at the table of dialogue and cooperation," he said.

                                There had been increasing requests for Turkey’s government to fulfil a long-standing demand by Turkey’s Islamists, especially in the wake of reports that the gunman who killed Muslim worshippers in New Zealand left a manifesto saying the Hagia Sophia should be free of minarets. Defending the decision against international criticism, Erdoğan stressed on Friday that the country had exercised its sovereign right in converting the site back to a mosque. He told a press conference the first Muslim prayers in Hagia Sophia as a newly-reconverted mosque would be held on July 24. "Like all our mosques, the doors of Hagia Sophia will be wide open to locals and foreigners, Muslims and non-Muslims," he added.
                                In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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