Venizelos 1922 wrote,,,,,

[TrueMacedonian]

Wait a second,,,, this cannot be right. I thought 'Macedonia is Greek for 4000 Years'? And Venizelos wrote that Macedonia had to not only become politically "but also ethnically Greek". Guess this smilie sums up the Pan-Macedonian societies scam with words -

[Risto the Great]

He is the same guy who nominated Ataturk for a nobel peace prize if I remember correctly. So many myths ... So many lies.

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

Greece A Jewish History. lol, it actually fits and its true. Both jews and greeks are doing the same thing what they done when they created their modern countries.

[johnMKD]

Back then it was common knowledge about the ethnic distribution of Macedonia. Venizelos just wrote what was already known. It's only now, after almost 90 years that seems extraordinary that was written by a Greek.

[Onur]

In this book, it only says 1922 for the quote from Venizelos but i better further clarify that date;

I wrote a message few months ago and i used this same quote of Venizelos from another book;

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...?t=3221&page=4 (Msg #36)



"Ionian vision: Greece in Asia Minor, 1919-1922" by Michael Llewellyn Smith

It notes that Venizelos said this in October 1922. This is rather interesting and worth mentioning cuz we won our last battle with Greeks in the outskirts of Izmir at 9th September 1922. So, this means that the Greeks was already planing to manipulate and dislocate the population of Anatolia and Macedonia much earlier than they lost Aegean Anatolia since it would be unwise to think that Venizelos thought and announced population exchange in just 3 weeks after their occupation of Anatolia ended. Btw, Venizelos, the representative of Greece in the Lausanne, proposed population exchange to the Turkey few days b4 the peace conference ended. Turkish people never heard about population exchange b4 that day, july 1923.


You know, before the population exchange, Greek speaking population in Salonika was no more than %15-20 and the situation with the rest of Aegean Macedonia was quite same too. Also Greece`s total population was around 2 million in 1923 and 650.000 of them was Turks. So, population exchange was quite useful for Greece in two ways; dumping muslim Turk population out of Greece which consisted about %40 of their total population at that time and bringing 1.1 million christian from Anatolia to depopulate Macedonian population in Aegean Macedonia. Anatolian Christians was perfectly suitable victims for this cuz they have been forced to migrate out from their motherland without any money or property. They gone to Greece only by bringing their cloths on them. Nearly half of them couldn't speak one word of Greek at all but this was not a problem cuz they had no other choice then becoming newborn "modern" Greeks even tough they were just christian Turks of Turkey since 1100 AD, Byzantine times.

The ironic thing is, if you ask to the children of these people in Greece today, 9 out of 10 gonna tell you that the Turks forced them to leave Turkey as they call it like "Greek catastrophe of Asia minor". There is even a monument in Salonika, which noted on it like "for the memory of the victims of Greek genocide by Turks in Anatolia".

Venizelos just wrote what was already known. It's only now, after almost 90 years that seems extraordinary that was written by a Greek.

Venizelos was totally right about one thing tough when he said that "the success or failure of Greece depends on these refugees" cuz if there wouldn't be population exchange, there was no way that Greece could keep Aegean Macedonia inside it`s borders. I am sure that Aegean Macedonia and western Thrace would either be part of Turkey or Yugoslavia of that era with the big majority of Macedonian and Turkish population.

Also, without the presence of 1.1 million refugees, hellenization couldn't be done. Actually there was 4 stages of hellenization in Aegean Macedonia. First one was population exchange. Second one was the destruction of whole Jewish quarter of Salonika with a fire sabotage at Metaxas era and forcing ~100.000 Jews to leave Greece. Third one was the expulsion of ~35.000 Albanians(Chams) shortly after WW-2. Forth and the last one was the civil war of late 1940s.

[johnMKD]

Venizelos was totally right about one thing tough when he said that "the success or failure of Greece depends on these refugees" cuz if there wouldn't be population exchange, there was no way that Greece could keep Aegean Macedonia inside it`s borders. I am sure that Aegean Macedonia and western Thrace would either be part of Turkey or Yugoslavia of that era with the big majority of Macedonian and Turkish population.

Also, without the presence of 1.1 million refugees, hellenization couldn't be done. Actually there was 4 stages of hellenization in Aegean Macedonia. First one was population exchange. Second one was the destruction of whole Jewish quarter of Salonika with a fire sabotage at Metaxas era and forcing ~100.000 Jews to leave Greece. Third one was the expulsion of ~35.000 Albanians(Chams) shortly after WW-2. Forth and the last one was the civil war of late 1940s.

I totally agree with you, Onur. But, please don't bring the Albanians into this. It is also well documented the presence of Greeks in Albania those days and the fact that most of them had to leave their houses and go to Greece over the years. What's important here to say (as you very well commented) is that Venizelos knew what he was doing. He had a specific strategy and he carried it out in a very efficient way. Poor prosfiges that had to leave their houses (both Turks and Greeks) and poor Macedonians that were expelled out of their land.

[TrueMacedonian]

Onur said;

It notes that Venizelos said this in October 1922. This is rather interesting and worth mentioning cuz we won our last battle with Greeks in the outskirts of Izmir at 9th September 1922. So, this means that the Greeks was already planing to manipulate and dislocate the population of Anatolia and Macedonia much earlier than they lost Aegean Anatolia since it would be unwise to think that Venizelos thought and announced population exchange in just 3 weeks after their occupation of Anatolia ended. Btw, Venizelos, the representative of Greece in the Lausanne, proposed population exchange to the Turkey few days b4 the peace conference ended. Turkish people never heard about population exchange b4 that day, july 1923.

This is very interesting Onur. And it, again I might add, destroys the myth of some ridiculous "4000 Years of Greek civilization and history" some stooges purport.

You know, before the population exchange, Greek speaking population in Salonika was no more than %15-20 and the situation with the rest of Aegean Macedonia was quite same too.

The romaic-speaking population may have been more in Salonika Onur. The Vlachs, Albanians, and Macedonians utilized this language for trade purposes. Ladino and Turkish were the main languages in Salonika.

[Daskalot]

It is good to read sources like this one, it simply shatters the Greek myth into oblivion.

[El Bre]

Interesting conversation gentleman. Thank you.

[Pelister]

This echoes the statements made by the Prime Minister Tracoupis back in 1898, which signalled his intentions for the extermination of the Macedonians.

This is an interesting example of more Greek intentions at the highest level.

It also adds important historical context to the current 'name talks' and proves once again that the Hellenic Republic is interested in only one things - the political extinction of the Macedonian Republic so that it gain have unchallenged and total conquest of the Macedonian 'space' which includes name, heritage, history, political existence...etc.

Thanks for finding this.