Yunanistan

[Yunanistan]

Hi, everyone

I'm back. I hope your weekend was a good one.

Thanks for the participation on this subjects I'm posting. I do appreciate it and for the most part it has been at a respectful level on both sides.

I'd like to address my use of the name "Yunanistan".

It is not on this thread, but Gocka you're mistaken in thinking that I have chosen "Yunanistan" as some kind of self-degradation of my ethnicity to parley favour with the members of this forum. Your comment of equating "Yunanistan" with the word "Nigger" is bizarre, but is an understandable conclusion I as well as you read the English version of MINA's website.


Can the admin tell us why this post was edited with the removal of my listing of the Google translations of the word "Greeks" in 10 or so different languages? This demonstrated an important point to my post.


The words/names that foreigners have for us Hellenes are in fact testaments of history and of our continued existence through out time. That is the way things really work. You are who you are by your community's acceptance of who you are. The fact that ottoman Turks and the current Turks used the word Yunanlilar (Ionians), in reference to Hellenes is proof that they knew who we were/are for the entire duration of their existence in Europe. Specifically to me, I am of Ionian stock as all of my ancestors are islanders.

The above "Testimonial" recognition by the invading force from the east is true for all of the Balkan's people. The Ottomans Empire was successful because they knew who their enemies were and we can see our own history in their records and their names for us.

During the Ottoman period, my ancestors did speak Turkish and Greek as this was the language of the ruling class. Other relatives spoke Albanian and Greek as on the mainland the ruling class were Albanians. But if you doubt that we are Hellenes then I suggested you read about the butchery that all other races suffered at the hands of my ancestors during the revolution. The Greek revolution was an orgy of carnage that has not as yet been brought to the worlds attention. To suggest that Hellenes are Albanians as if Albanians had no ethnic pride flies in the face of reality and reason, but fulfills a need you may have. How is the Macedonization of Albanians going? From what I read on this forum and the online newspapers not well at all. But we Hellenes magically managed to do it, but failed to do it with the Turks and Bulgarians.

I had to answer those that thought I was "degrading" myself with the use of the name that hundreds of millions of people outside of Europe use, to simply say "Hellas". The word "Greece" is not more correct than "Yunanistan". I am proud of the name "Yunanistan".

But as I have said before I came on this forum to learn more of you rather than discussing who I am and try to convince you of that.

[Gocka]

1) You time here is coming to a rapid end so if you want to sneak in a few
more idiotic statements hurry up and do so.

2) You have proven that you don't even posses a basic level of
comprehension

Finally I never compared the term Yunanistan to the word "", I used it as
an example to show how a word that is used as an insult by one group of
people can have a totally different meaning to another group. It was in
reference to Macedonians supposedly referring to other Macedonians as
"skis", and I gave an example showing how maybe your circle of little
racists can use it as an insult to us, but maybe Macedonians mean something
totally different by it if they were to use it to describe other
Macedonians. Then in reference to you using Yunanistan, I said that when we
refer to Greeks as Yunanis we mean it as an insult, where as you in your
deluded logic might mean something different by it.

Please stop wasting space on here and trying to cause drama, and do not
misquote me again.

[Stojacanec]

I'm not sure what yarn your trying to spin but I have a few key points of observation to make:

Officially most countries in the world recognise us as Macedonians and Macedonia.

Even the countries that don't eg Germany and France is just a political game of chess. Therefore all you greek converts that have concocted the mythical name dispute have turned it into a "game"

Unofficially I can walk around Germany and France and refer myself as Macedonian with no objection.

Therefore hundreds and millions of people around the world refer to us or have no objection to us being Macedonian - I wonder why? They probably don't like playing chess with a greek convert.

I don't see or hear others refer to you as hellens. When the new greek state was formed it was named as the hellenic republic. Its only you converts that shove the hellen thing down people's throats.


I like your name - I vote for an amendement from the Hellenic Republic to the Yunanistan Republic

[Dejan]

Yunanistan, you rely on the knowledge of the Ottomans a lot. The Ottomans also knew who the Macedonians were

It seems you are wasting time with superficial questions and nothing new/fresh to offer. A Macedonian is a Macedonian, regardless of the region they come from. They cannot be more than one race, if that's what you are trying to get at. This 'ski' reference is more likely a running joke (that we Macedonians aren't aware of). It has no meaning. I won't be surprised if you come back with another running joke calling us "ov's" or "ev's".

To forum members, I'd suggest we move along and concentrate on more important things rather than humoring hearsay.

[Niko777]

How is the Macedonization of Albanians going? From what I read on this forum and the online newspapers not well at all. But we Hellenes magically managed to do it, but failed to do it with the Turks and Bulgarians.

Albanians in the Republic of Macedonia are Muslim. The Albanians in Greece are Christians, that's why they were easily Hellenized. The Turks and Bulgarians (Pomaks) in Greece are Muslim, that's why Hellenization failed on them.

[Risto the Great]

To suggest that Hellenes are Albanians as if Albanians had no ethnic pride flies in the face of reality and reason,

To suggest that Albanians have not become Greeks is more of an affront to reality and reason. You're straying from healthy debate and looking more like yet another snivelling Greek. At least you seem to be able to string words together.

[Phoenix]

... You're straying from healthy debate and looking more like yet another snivelling Greek. At least you seem to be able to string words together.

Pfftt...big farken deal, the laws of probability also envisage a monkey randomly typing the entire works of Shakespeare...

Bang on 'yunick', knock yourself out...

[George S.]

indoctrinated by a fascist nazi govt .That was my comment to you I bet you didn't understand that.THe difference is you are & were not.You echoe your govt propaganda.I have no time for morons who areallways the same with something to say a holier than thou or having a superior message.You''e not ,you are a bore echoing your govts prop a ganda.

[Sweet Sixteen]

Therefore hundreds and millions of people around the world refer to us or have no objection to us being Macedonian - I wonder why?

It's because you're practically unknown to them and our disputes are indifferent to them. That excludes your neighbours who may probably have an opinion on all the relevant issues, including recent history, name, identity, language, political implications etc.

It also excludes specific persons, scientists, historians, linguists, politicians, diplomats or amateurs who have followed and studied these topics for various reasons.

Do you think a Venezuelan would object if you told him there’s a Serbian, a Croatian, a Bosnian and a Montenegrin language? The fact is there’s only one language (which should properly be called Serbian, during Yugoslavia it was called Serbo-Croatian) and the other “languages” are not even 99% the same with Serbian. They’re actually 100% the same.

[Stojacanec]

There is plenty of evidence in this forum ss showing people know who we are from current back to antiquity. - have a browse.

There is a big hole in your argument where the neighbours have differing opinions. Macedonians are congruent with their opinions of who they are no matter which part of Macedonia proper they originate from. Not to mention those repective countries have apposing views of history amongst themselves as well - you really haven't added any value to this agrument.

There are plenty of "specific persons" that have differning opinons to those that are on the greek payroll.

I regard our language in Australia as Australian and American in America. Do you think if I went to England, I'd be able to navigate myself around?? Please explain.

[Yunanistan]

To suggest that Albanians have not become Greeks is more of an affront to reality and reason. You're straying from healthy debate and looking more like yet another snivelling Greek. At least you seem to be able to string words together.

I'm trying to answer you without seeming like a racist and staying away from polemic language.

About the Albanians. Let's put it this way.

When I tell you, "Hey RTG, I have money in my bank account!!!!"

Does that tell you I am a billionaire, millionaire, I have hundreds of thousands of dollars, one hundred dollars or $10?

Which is it?

Yes Albanians have become Greek, but how many? If it was of any significant number we would have seen a significant merger in our languages, but in fact I understand many Italian words because I speak Greek, where Albanian is like Chinese to me.

Albanians and Greeks have been living next to each other and trading goods for thousands of years while sustaining culture difference. Racially we are not the same but very close, in fact closer than Greeks are to Cypriots.

Geo-genetics is the science of how a grouping of different populations relates to each other and it is mapped out on an 2D XY axis. Specifically to Europe, a MIT study (Yes, that MIT), took the Swiss as the centre of the European gene pool and created a computer generated map which shows the genetic distance between each ethnicity to all others. Take a look. Perhaps you can point out for me where the "Slavic Invasion" starts and stops.

Our language, culture, and racial makeup validates who we are. THIS DOES NOT IN ANYWAY MAKE GREEKS BETTER OR WORSE THAT ANY OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET.

I'll not write about this sh@t again, because it is very distasteful to my sense of treating people based on their character. Their are people in Greece which will take information like this to justify division, prejudice and extremism which harms all Greek interests.

[Stojacanec]

Why would you see a significant merger in the language between greek and albanian? Apparently shiptari have populated a lot of western macedonia but I don't understand a word of Albanian. Either do my parents and they were raised in MKD.

Again your pushing this meaningless slavic theory. I asked a friend when he travelled to aegean macedonia 6 months ago, how did you find your way not knowing greek? He said, no problems, they know macedonian.

[Vangelovski]

The genetic relatedness between Greeks and Albanians (according to the study that Yunnanistan provided) speaks volumns as to how how many Albanians became Greeks and accepted the Greek language through a very successful annd brutal nation-building process that began in the late 19th century and continues even today.

[Stojacanec]

There was news in the 90s where Albanians tried to start up an Albanian school/university in greece. The greek military came in and put an end to their efforts.

[Vangelovski]

There was news in the 90s where Albanians tried to start up an Albanian school/university in greece. The greek military came in and put an end to their efforts.

Much the same with Macedonian efforts to register community organisations - they were met with police brutality, defamation and public ridicule.

I think Yunani needs to understand his own people before he ventures out to try and understand others.